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You just made that decsion easier for me.]]>Oct 3rd 2007 3:26AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 3:37AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 6:58AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/it would be nice to see them hire someone with some design sense to make whatever proprietary shit VZ is going to put on these phones.]]>Oct 3rd 2007 2:01PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 7:20AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 7:38AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 7:52AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 8:30AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/
here's a sobering thought...at this pace, once the i760, xv6800, & 5800 are finally released, it'll be almost 2011 before we another WinMo phone form VZW....my disdain for them is growing steadily...]]>Oct 3rd 2007 10:08AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/
It seems they put a great deal of trust that the chocolate will dominate the phone market for the next 2 or 3 years.]]>Oct 3rd 2007 12:25PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 3:26PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/
(i'm sorry VZW fans! i just had to!)]]>Oct 4th 2007 2:41AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/
But at least AT&T has their device out I guess. The choice is to release something that is going to need a software flash that has a chance of bricking the phone, or to wait months and not release them till they are ready. I guess at this point the choice of releasing them with windows mobile 5.0 isn't viable anymore, I guess they all ready committed to releasing it with WinMo 6.

The biggest loser in all of this is Palm. They had a chance at the beginning of the year to take advantage of Microsoft's delays and release something new and revolutionary. The Palm OS is dead, they even started selling windows mobile devices. The 750, 755 etc are the same phones as the 700 with a slightly different container.

Tmobile 2 WinMo6 phones - (the dash has a winmo6 upgrade available)
AT&T 0 WinMo6 phone
Sprint 1 WinMo6 phone
Verizon Wireless 1 Winmo6 phone

The only people to really blame here are blogs like this that keep speculating on release dates building up people's expectations. If you know anything about tech, whether it be hardware or software, delays go with the industry, and when you are dealing with a new Microsoft OS, you are all but guaranteed delays.]]>Oct 4th 2007 5:21AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 4th 2007 1:23PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 4th 2007 5:33PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 8:45AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 8:59AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 10:09AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/*You're not a heavy GPS user*
sorry for typos]]>Oct 3rd 2007 10:11AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 9:20AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 4th 2007 2:41AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 10:05AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/
And why the hell do you need every goddamn feature on these phones? Seriously, do you need GPS? Do you need a low-storage mp3 player that requires specialized headphones to work to listen at a decent quality? Do you need to use bluetooth earpieces that make you look like you're talking to yourself? Do you need video streaming, especially when it's NOT free on any service? Do you need games? I think the only feature that's important on a phone is the ability to talk on it. And maybe texts. The rest are just gimmicks. ]]>Oct 3rd 2007 3:20PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/
If you're going to preach to people and tell them all to carry a seperate MP3 player, install a separate GPS navigation system in your car, pull over everytime you need to make a phone call while driving, carry your DS/PSP with you at all times, and carrying your WiFi enabled PDA for work while always looking for a WiFi Hotspot...then you're really in the wrong place]]>Oct 3rd 2007 4:06PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 11:24PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/People at LG and VZW both say that the Voyager is competing with the iPhone. They didn't hint at it, they said it straight out. How's that for you? Also, despite Stevie-boy's hinting and teasing to the contrary, the iPhone is no more a smartphone than a Voyager will be. LOCK DOWN does not a smartphone make.

@!!!:
Welcome to the future, guy. It might still be the early 1900's in your head, but for the rest of us, some of those features you mention actually do add significant value.]]>Oct 4th 2007 4:18AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 10:20AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 10:13AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 10:34AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/
"Do you really think that LG gives a crap about the iPhone?"

Umm, duh. Yes, its LG Prada was released first, but the iPhone totally stole its I'm-the-phone-with-the-touch-screen-OS-and-all-that-sexiness glory. Hell, it even out did it on price! The fact of the matter is yes, LG does give a crap about the iPhone, in fact, almost (and I'm only using 'almost' as a qualifier because I am near certain it's all) every major manufacturer is working on or has worked on a device to compete with the iPhone. Yes, it's been correctly said that practically all phones with a huge touchscreen will look alike. However, how often did manufacturer even aim to make an all touchscreen phone BEFORE the iPhone's announcement? Let's face it, the iPhone is the new RAZR. As the RAZR caused all manufacturers to trend toward ultra-thin phones, the iPhone is making all major manufacturer trend toward (ultra-thin [btw, the Voyager isn't cuttin' it in that department]) touchscreen OS phones.


"Apple is no threat to them right now!"

Moving 1,000,000+ units of any phone in a year is amazing. Moving 1,000,000+ units of any phone in less than 80 days is incredible. Moving 1,000,000+ units of a phone with a MINIMUM cost of $400 (although MOST were the original 8GB version that cost $600) AND that is locked to one company is outstanding, especially given all its faults (the whole no 3G thing, no GPS, no removable battery, etc...).
Hell, Apple is threatening to me and I don't even sell phones. (I just think Steve Jobs is kind fear-worthy, but, then again, he IS God, so it does make sense.)


"Oh, and give LG credit for at least being innovative enough to step in and give a solution for the people who rely on Verizons service where it may be better than AT&T, and I know it's different depending on where you are."

Dude, you're acting like that made these phones out of the kindness of their hearts: THEY DID THIS TO MAKE MOOLAH!
But, I MUST commend you for not being ignorant and saying that anyone's network is better than someone else's: you're right, network coverage varies from area to area.


"...[I]t also gives the people an option for better messaging capabilities."

What can I say, when you're right, you're right.


Like I said, PLEASE LET THIS BE POORLY IMPLEMENTED SARCASM.]]>Oct 3rd 2007 12:16PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 4th 2007 2:41AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 2:36PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Juke-Venus-Pearl-and-Voyager-available-in-less-than-month-and-a-half-article-image-a_2082-p_1-i_13674.html]]>Oct 3rd 2007 11:00AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 12:16PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 12:36PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 12:48PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/
Way to go, champ.]]>Oct 3rd 2007 1:08PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 1:20PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 1:08PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 1:33PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/
Phone
Pre-Order
Available Online

Samsung Juke
10/9
10/19

LG Venus
10/19
11/4

Blackberry Pearl
10/26
11/8

LG Voyager
11/8
11/18

]]>Oct 3rd 2007 1:51PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/

Here is a quick down of features in the end both phones have very similar features so to say the iphone is better even before the new LG is out give me a break. This whole Verizon UI BS is getting old its totally redesigned for this and the other handset so we all may want to hold of on the judgments before we play with the phones. The whole issue with OBX is just getting silly now because you can transfer a lot of the files from the phone to a computer if you computer has bluetooth an I know my home PC doesn't have that nor my laptop so that just pointless for me. I have never had anyone ask me to send them the song I was listening to via bluetooth. Since AT&T and Verizon Wireless both have unlimited PIX / TEXT messaging sending a pictures to my home email cost me nothing. I can make my own Ringtones using Bitpim so that fixes that other issues of personalize Ringtons. So my point is that verizon is making a lot of concessions with its new phones to make people happy. Will it ever be 100% of what everyone wants Nope but you cant make everyone happy so just suck it up and move on...

iPhone
GSM (International Roaming)
4GB / 8GB internal storage (Non-expandable)
MAC OS
Large 3.5 display (Touch Friendly)
iTunes ( includes TV / MUSIC)
HTML Browser (NO Flash Support)
NO 3G
NO Keypad
NO Camera
Bluetooth (Dont know off hand what profile handset supports)
Lock to AT&T SIMS
(Ya you can get the unlock software but then the next update comes out and knocks it out again)
Wi-Fi

Voyager
CDMA ( No International Roaming)
NO Internal memory (Expandable to 8GB or more via Micro SD)
2.5 External display (Touch Friendly)
2.5 Internal display
Whole new Flash OS
VCast Music / Live TV / Video Clips
HTML Browser (NO Flash Support)
EVDO (Rev O)
Flip open full Keypad
2MP Camera
Bluetooth (Unknown what profiles final handset will support)
NO Wi-Fi
GPS directions]]>Oct 3rd 2007 7:32PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/no removable battery
no expandable memory
no keyboard
not 3

Voyager - has all 4 plus mobile TV which is growing fast!]]>Oct 3rd 2007 10:40PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 11:37PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 3rd 2007 11:38PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 4th 2007 9:16AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 4th 2007 1:24PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 4th 2007 7:41PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 5th 2007 12:25AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/03/hands-on-with-verizons-new-fall-lineup/Oct 7th 2007 5:49PM