http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/ Engadget Mobile Comments for http://www.engadgetmobile.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadgetmobile.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 1:49AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/
Not all CDMA is US-version 850/1900 EVDO 1xRTT CDMA2000. Most of the CDMA in the world is WCDMA.]]>Sep 21st 2007 9:42AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/GSM = 3GPP Project
CDMA = 3GPP2 Project

3GPP = GSM, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS (WCDMA), HSDPA, HSUPA, HSPA+, LTE
3GPP2 = CDMAONE, CDMA2000, EV-DO, UMB

Verizon used the 3GPP2 track but is not switching to the 3GPP (GSM) track. ]]>Sep 21st 2007 10:11AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/
What part of "WCDMA" do you not understand? GSM is a TDMA technology. WCDMA is a CDMA technology. LTE, at least what we expect, will be an OFDM technology.

EDGE is an evolution of GSM.

WCDMA HSDPA is an evolution of WCDMA UMTS.

But between those levels there's a hard break in technologies - you have to install all new radios and there's a different IP portfolio you have to deal with. Qualcomm owns about 20% of the WCDMA patents, for instance.]]>Sep 21st 2007 10:26AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/read what i said below about HSDPA being "GSM" when it's not the same even the same technology. i know what you're talking about and i'm not confused as to how it works.]]>Sep 21st 2007 10:38AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/WCDMA is not CDMA technology and is not compatible with CDMA. It is, though, compatible with GSM.
It's a CDMA-like technology that runs on top of a GSM network.
Try Wikipedia for more information.

]]>Sep 26th 2007 3:56PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 2:39AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 9:19AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 2:54AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 3:10AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 9:37AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/If the majority was Vodafone, it wouldn't be called Verizon Wireless. Also, Vodafone would have put it on the 3GPP track which is GSM (see above).]]>Sep 21st 2007 10:12AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/



ok seriously this has "oh sh*t" written all over it]]>Sep 21st 2007 2:57AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 3:12AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 4:19PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/
And I also never said that Sprint was the first to roll out EVDO, nor did I say that Verizon wasn't the first to roll out EVDO, only that they have, and continue to do so, slowly. Please reread my comments before you post your incorrect ones.]]>Sep 21st 2007 4:28PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 4:42PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 4:56PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/
You got called out on it, and you copped out with a weak response. ]]>Sep 21st 2007 5:44PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 3:51AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 8:10AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/
Verizon has awesome network coverage but crappy phones with awful software.]]>Sep 21st 2007 9:08AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 9:40AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/
In other words, a portfolio of GSM towers does not help you with LTE. LTE will be a totally new technology that has to be built from the ground up, much as AT&T had to build their WCDMA network from the ground up, as WCDMA is a replacement rather than an evolution from EDGE.

LTE - air interfaces in general - has nothing to do with phone locking, either.

I'm sorry. I know you want to hear that this means Verizon is joining some sort of happy-clappy cuddly world GSM community. But that just isn't the case. This is just a radio access technology. Verizon can very easily superimpose whatever business model they want over that technology.

Also, you guys do know that Qualcomm will have a significant IP portfolio in LTE, right? LTE is based on OFDM, and Qualcomm's Flarion acquisition ensured they'll be a player there.

]]>Sep 21st 2007 9:42AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 10:35AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 9:57AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/]]>Sep 21st 2007 10:44AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 11:23AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 12:21PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 26th 2007 10:46PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 12:29PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 1:21PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/
Ergo, they can still bend people over.]]>Sep 21st 2007 5:13PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 21st 2007 6:10PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/
It would also probably mean that in the longer term we will Sony (Ericsson) phones on Verizon.]]>Sep 22nd 2007 4:35AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/
(Wideband Code Division Multiple Access)

Wideband CDMA is a third-generation (3G) wireless standard which utilizes one 5 MHz channel for both voice and data, initially offering data speeds up to 384 Kbps.

WCDMA is also referred to as UMTS - the two terms have become interchangeable.

WCDMA is the 3G standard that most GSM carriers are moving to. Parts of the WCDMA standard are based on GSM technology. WCDMA networks are designed to integrate with GSM networks at certain levels. Most WCDMA phones include GSM as well, for backward compatibility.

WCDMA borrows certain technology ideas from CDMA, as the name implies, but is in fact very different and incompatible with phones and networks using "CDMA" technology.

In Europe and Asia, WCDMA is being deployed in the all-new 2100 MHz frequency band. In North America, WCDMA is being deployed in the existing 1900 MHz (PCS) and 850 MHz (cellular) bands.


Definition of WCDMA from Phonescoop.com]]>Sep 21st 2007 3:41PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Sep 25th 2007 11:05AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/
That statement is false. Ever since the Cingular/AT&T Wireless merger the subscriber lead Cingy (now AT&T) had over VZW has dwindled from 9 million to just over 1 million now. ]]>Sep 25th 2007 6:52PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/
* Cellular networks naturally must evolve, and generational changes require complete network buildouts. With the state of the art of this industry and the suggested change date of 2015, I expect that Verizon Wireless's buildout and conversion will be seamless and almost indetectable by the consumer.

* After a certain point, there will be no need to carry CDMA or any other legacy voice platform. The LTE data standard will be sufficient as all voice calling is projected to be VOIP at that time.

* A small percentage of well-informed, technically-advanced users frequently advocate in places like this that the VZW phone operating system software is too restrictive/locked. While the small minority of people who would like an unlocked device could indeed make good use of that open enviroment, the vast majority of cell phone users just want the device to work. Period. The consistent year-after-year pronouncements by industry analysts that Verizon has the best Quality of Call Service is due in no small part to the amount of control the company exercises over their devices.

* As far as innovation, variety and availability in handsets, this year has seen a turnaround in that performance. And there are some amazing devices on the horizon. I can't wait for the VX10000!]]>Sep 28th 2007 10:34AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/they've gone a little power hungry as well, don't you think? they have great coverage and their customer support is WAY better than sprint's. but now it seems as if they only care about money, and they will make excuses to do more things to get it.
and that's how the vzw ui came into existance.]]>Dec 4th 2007 6:00AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/if verizon switches to gsm, i will cancel my sprint contract in a new york minute.]]>Dec 4th 2007 6:02AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/Aug 1st 2008 1:09PM