http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/ Engadget Mobile Comments for http://www.engadgetmobile.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadgetmobile.com en-us Copyright 2009 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/Oct 29th 2006 2:34PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/Oct 29th 2006 3:18PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/
Why not? S60 has everything and more than BB or WM, and great multitasking on a phone that i ever saw. I'm not a fanboy, but only curious why some think so low about S60 and Symbian?]]>Oct 29th 2006 4:39PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/Oct 29th 2006 5:21PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/
I sign my name under rospaya's posting.. WHY do you think so low of Symbian? It's been on the market for MUCH longer than WM or Blackberry (btw I don't get Blackberry's superiority over other devices in the Push e-mail area). I've tried WM before and to be honest it's a BITCH to set up. Symbian seems much more user friendly plus you don't get the Microsoft monopoly feeling in your hand. I've been an avid user of Symbian S60 since Nokia 3650 (before it was even available officially in the US) and I have to say that at that time I was using PocketPC (iPaq)..not a phone but eventually that evolved into WM for smartphone and I do have to say that I don't miss a single day after i ditched it in lieu of S60 phone.

Matt]]>Oct 29th 2006 5:51PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/..."plus you don't get the Microsoft monopoly feeling in your hand."

Just curious; what does a mobile monopoly feel like? I have the unique perspective of owning a Nokia E561, Treo 650, and Windows Mobile 5 device. And from personal experience I can say that which solution is "superior" depends entirely on the user. For mainstream consumers, the E61/62 is a credible choice. However, for someone migrating from a PalmOS or WM device, Symbian leaves a lot to be desired. First there is the lack of a touchscreen, which may or may not mean something to you depending on your familiarity with mobile devices. But the truly crippling aspect to S60 is the fragmented software experience. Any application written for S60 does not guarantee compatibility with the E60 series. I have encountered this issue numerous times since "upgrading" to the E61. You can read more about my experiences here.

Suffice to say, the E61 may offer the best mobile web brower on the the market, as well as a good overall hardware design, but the OS and lack of the vast third party software library enjoyed by PalmOS and Windows Mobile makes S60, and subsequently the E61/62, one step forward three steps back.

In the end, it comes down to YOU the end user. One mans trash is another man's treasure...and vice vera. My advice, to anyone, is to go to your nearest Cingular store and try out the device for yourself before making a final decision. The E61/62 is by far one of the best smartphones on the market right now. But neither it nor the software it runs on is for everyone. As in life itself, there are no easy anwers.]]>Oct 29th 2006 6:25PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/
http://www.pocketfactory.com/2006/10/01/moving-back-to-treo/

As I said, anyone contemplating the move from PalmOS/Windows Mobile to Symbian really needs to do their homework or at least experience the E62 for themselves before making a final decision.]]>Oct 29th 2006 6:29PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/
Hmm, funny but when I go to handango, which I think is a prety well known handheld software store I do find palm has the most software, its also ben around forever, however..if I do click on a motorola Q (Windows Mobile 5.0) I get a paltry 190 choices..and if I put in the E62 (S60 v3) I get a slightly more respectable 355, so I am confused at your statement.. also just OS wise Windows Smartphone has a total sw catalog (at handango) that is one -third the size of Symbian. Please keep your FUD to a dull roar. ]]>Oct 29th 2006 8:42PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/
Your point about PalmOS having "been around forever" is mute considering Symbian has been around nearly as long, which either way is a lame excuse to conceal the fragmented nature of Symbian.

Applications are only one part of the story. Try downloading themes for your E62. Not every theme designed for "S60" works with your device, or S6 3rd. Edition. This is the Achilles heal of Symbian; not only does application compatibility suffer from one version to another, but also in certain cases from one model to another. Which is crazy. At least when you download an application for PalmOS or WM, you have the assurance said application is compatible with your system. With Symbian it's a crapshoot.

That's not FUD...it's reality. You're talking to someone who owns an E61. I have owned this device since July. If you're going to tell me that everything I have experienced has been an illusion, I am all ears.]]>Oct 29th 2006 9:41PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/Oct 30th 2006 2:19AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/Oct 30th 2006 9:57AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/switched to the E70 (US version) because I found the E61 reception to
be less than optimal. For whatever reason, the E70 is superior in the
latter respect, has wifi, has a camera, and has all the other things
the E61 and E62 otherwise have. I don't know if my experience with
the E61 had anything to do with the fact that my unit was imported -
but I doubt it. In any case, if you can deal with the different form
factor, I'd skip the E61/62 (even though the E61 felt more solidly
built - that was the first thing I noticed when I got the E70:
lighter and less solid). The performance on the E70 (if performance
is what you actually care about) is far superior though, in my
experience.

With respect to the OS discussions...For what it's worth,
I agree that it's a user-preference issue. That said, I gave up on my
Treo because I was so sick of having to reset Palm - something I
literally have never had to do with Symbian (going back to Psion
days). My workplace has everyone on Windows devices and the level of
frustration is high there as well. It seems people with engineering
degrees like those best. But again, it all comes down to what you
like and the amount of time you have in the course of your day to fiddle around with your device. ]]>Oct 30th 2006 10:52AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/
Just try this experiment:

Hold a BB 8700 in one hand and an E62 in the other.
Open an email you've received in each.
Notice how long it takes either phone to open the msg.

The lag time is even worse when you're composing an email.

]]>Oct 30th 2006 12:44PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/
I'm just wondering, have you guys actually opened your eyes and looked at that hideous monstrosity pictured above???!!! It's just so...so square, plus it looks like a toy to me (maybe it looks better in real life).

I guess one man's trash really is another man's treasure. ;-)]]>Oct 30th 2006 5:16PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/
I love the design of it. It's simple and very well made and definitely feels solid in my hands with the aluminium casing on the back.

E62 looks like a great deal for those who are using only domestic and no wifi needs. ]]>Oct 30th 2006 8:02PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/
Symbian OS has undergone a substantial OS upgrade with the 3rd Edition/9.x Symbian, just like when Windows went from 3.1, to 95, to XP, or when Mac OS went from OS9 to OS X--certain software won't work. Not to mention that Windows devices, at least used to have, the same problem when they had various processors, and isn't it still true of Win Mobile 5.0 devices vs. PocketPC devices.

The programs you get for E61/62 and all other S60 devices are clearly identified as those designed or not to work with 3rd Edition of the OS (or they say which models are supported). Same with themes, because never devices have higher res screens, make sure you download a theme that is meant for your device (almost always identified as Symbian 9.1), period.

Having said all that. I spent considerable time with E61 (not mine) and currently own a Nokia N73. The phones are phone first, PDA second-- although the E61 blurs that line substantially, and I agree 100% with everything the engadget guys say about this device. They sync out of the box with Mac OSX and Windows and do it very well. They come loaded with Word, Excel, PPT, and PDF readers; as well as the best web browser of any phone/pda device, perfectly decent email programs, calendar/todo, contacts, Voice activations/dialing, BlueTooth/IR/Cable Connections. They also works as wireless modems for tethering your laptop.

And then you start getting [this depends on which Eseries or Nseries Nokia you're looking at] into 2-3Megapixel cams, MP3 players, Sound recorders, FM Radio.

And of course it's a smart phone, so install whatever you want on top, Symbian or Java apps. Oh yeah, and S60 phones never crash!

Is the above enough to get people to switch? Probably not, because many won't believe what I wrote. And because they're too used to what they have. Too bad.]]>Oct 30th 2006 8:31PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/
http://www.qwertybar.com/nokiae62 ]]>Oct 31st 2006 11:49AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/
]]>Nov 1st 2006 12:38PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/I like the screen, my vision sucks. I like that I can create groups in my phone list. I can't stand not having copy and paste, like BB. It can be hella slow waiting for applications to run, More RAM would be good. I love the bluetooth synching with my PC for Outlook. I like that I can see pictures, music and videos that my friends send me. I miss the scroll-wheel on the side, I love the joystick. Trying to type out a long message on the E62 can be a pain, it not a ergo as the 8700. I think the 8700 is a 4.5 out of 5. The E62 is a 4 out of 5. Or the E62 is the 7290 with a killer screen and Multimedia.]]>Nov 2nd 2006 12:37AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/Nov 2nd 2006 4:31AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/Nov 8th 2006 4:09PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/Nov 13th 2006 3:59PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/Nov 18th 2006 12:32AMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/
Thanks.

BW]]>Nov 25th 2006 4:53PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/Dec 14th 2006 2:10PMhttp://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/29/hands-on-with-the-nokia-e62-for-cingular/
Its features are unmatched at its price point and its ergonomics are the best I've seen. It's a winner, and will only get better with the addition of WiFi and a good camera.]]>Dec 29th 2006 1:07PM